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We were sure that we had uploaded all of our documents back on April 14th, and in fact we had. What we hadn’t allowed for was that we’d scanned the passports as soon as they’d turned up years ago and in particular before we’d signed them. So June 9th, we got a request from the immigration people for ID documents with photos and signatures i.e. the signed passports. So the dreaded Further Consideration message appeared on the two citizenship applications.

We re-scanned the passports and uploaded them the same day for the two citizenship applications and my visa application and thought that had knocked us back somewhat. So, we were rather surprised to see the Approval of citizenship email from immigration yesterday. Only one of them thus far, but just under nine weeks from application is well before the mid-August date we’d been expecting.

It’s shaping up to be a busy month as Wendy’s British citizenship was approved at the start of June and she’s to go to her citizenship ceremony at the end of July. She’s not British until she goes to that as that’s the day they hand her the citizenship certificate which we can use to get her passport.

On other fronts, we’re working through our timeline with this edging into the period when we start sorting out the UK finances. Most people seem to get the urge to tidy up their UK finances by closing all/most of their UK bank accounts whilst we’re doing the opposite. For a start, chances are that you will still have some requirement for a UK bank account and you will have problems trying to open any after you leave. In principle, you could go with one but it’s always useful to have a backup. Our main ones will be HSBC and Nationwide which both let you retain your accounts after you’ve emigrated. In both cases, it’s useful to have both the current account and a savings account (not an ISA as you can’t pay into that after you leave). Lloyds and NatWest are also possible, but they may change you to their international account after you’ve left the UK. You’ll also want Wise which operates in Australia and can provide you with the Australian equivalent of a sort code and account number as well as the UK ones and let’s you transfer between pounds and Australian dollars fairly cheaply. Last, but not least, you’ll want a UK American Express card because having that at least six months before you leave will let you get an Australian one as soon as you turn up there and that’s the only Australian credit card you’re pretty much guaranteed to get at the start.

Next up should be the second son’s citizenship. We’d thought they would have turned up at the same time, but our eldest got his just before the immigration site shut down for its weekend maintenance so, all being well, the second son will get his during the coming week. I’m thinking that my visa might be approved during the week as we’d deliberately put all the applications in my account on the assumption that if the immigration person saw the others, they’d go ahead and approve them all.

I’ve started looking into the option of a Self Managed Super Fund (SMSF), the much more expensive Australian equivalent of a UK Self Invested Personal Pension (SIPP). And it is a lot more expensive: the £120/year that the SIPP costs will be more like A$4000 (£2000) a year for the SMSF. In fact, it’s so much more expensive and there are so many restrictions on transferring from the SIPP to the SMSF, that I’m going to need to do more complete calculations to see if it would be worth doing at all.

We’ve also continued to look at potential houses, though we definitely won’t be buying anything until I’ve got the visa and not until well into 2027 at the earliest anyway as there’s just too many things left to do on the timeline to move any earlier. Quite a nice range of houses fitting our criteria have come onto the market over the past few months. Surprisingly, some very strong candidates still haven’t sold after maybe four or five months.

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We’d quite a detailed timeline taking us right up to the point of clicking the submit button on the visa application. An

d, then we ran off the end of that and find ourselves with two blank months.

That’s not to say that we’ve nothing to do, just that we need to update our plan with all the kind of things that we need to do. Some are there in outline form, and others will need added.

Our initial investigation was how to get the dogs out there (Tasmania doesn’t seem to allow cats). There’s several specialist places that do it, most of which go from Heathrow which doesn’t suit us, and all of which finish up in Melbourne where they do all Australian quarantine (usually 10 days, but can be 30 days). Whoever has the dogs registered in their name is the person who needs to hand over the dogs to the transport company. Initial quote came out at £7000 for both dogs which isn’t that bad.

Next up is getting our stuff there. We’ll likely not be taking everything from our existing house, but thinking that a 20 foot container is the way to go and that seems to be about £10,000 or so, though we’ll be needing more detail on the quote as we want it packed on this end and stored over there ’til we have our house organised.

Very early days, but step one is to get the plan fleshed out a lot more.

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There’s been quite a gap since the last post because it takes a lot of time to gather together the evidence that I’d spoken about earlier and, of course, to link it all together.

The key things are the two relationship history together with the four pillars. In practice, I linked things like bank statements, photos, 888 forms and the like to my version of the relationship history. As you’ll find there’s a guys style and a girls style of writing these things and they are very different! They do need to be consistent, but it was definitely easier to link the documents to my version due to the different style of writing.

Once we’d all the evidence collected, we wrote a table of contents listing the document names and what they were. That will make both your task easier and the task of the immigration agent reading your application that little bit easier too. We actually uploaded all the documents to my application (38 in total for us). Both relationship histories ended up around six pages long which covered a 25 year relationship, so it will be shorter if you’ve not been together that long.

It took a couple of hours to get everything uploaded as the immi site isn’t the fastest, or at least not when you’re accessing it from the UK. Don’t rush this stage as you need to get it right.

And then you click submit. After that, you’ll be needing your credit card and chances are that it’ll be declined as mine was because it looks fraudulent and I’d to call the bank. Helpfully, my bank didn’t weigh in with a payment declined message so all I saw on the immi site was “check your card details”. It’s geared up for Australian addresses, so chances are that you’ll not be able to enter the bill holder’s address 100% correctly.

Once you do get the payment made, you can then move along with the Sponsor application which is reasonably short and we did that on the same day. Or thought we had because it turns out that in addition to all the documents we’d already uploaded to the main application, we needed Wendy’s birth certificate and photo. You can’t upload these, or indeed any, documents immediately but can do a day or two later under the other documents button, so we ran up another index and uploaded that plus her passport, birth certificate, two police clearances, photo, and proof of us being in a relationship.

The other thing that you can do when you hit the submit button is organise your medical. When you click on that button, you’ve a fairly short health questionnaire to fill in and you’ll get your HAP ID which you’ll need to book your medical. The medical needs to be done by a doctor on their approved list: there’s loads in Australia, not so many in the UK. It took us so long to gather the evidence (about 18 months) that a new place had opened in Belfast in that time!

The medical is no big deal. You need to bring your passport and they’ll take a photo of you on the day. There’s two blood samples that they need, and then the doctor runs through the questions that you’d answered previously. All told, it ended up taking about an hour of which most time was spent doing the usual banging on your chest and back, checking out that you had feeling in your limbs, and, on the whole, felt like an olden tymes visit to a GP, albeit one that cost £400.

That was Tuesday morning. Wednesday afternoon I got an email from the GP saying that she’d uploaded all the information and it says on the immi site that they’ve got it.

So, 18 months or so since we started, we have a decision ready application sitting with the immi people.

How long we’ll need to wait for a decision is an interesting question. On their website, the global timescale is saying 90% are decided in two years. However, that’s including people who get requests for additional information which seems to add months to the time. For couples who have been together for ages and who have uploaded all their documents at the time of the application, it can be a whole lot faster. In fact, I’ve seen two very similar couples to us who received their visa in about a month and others in a couple of months. But, who knows?

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If the visa application form is anything to go by, proving that you’re in a relationship gets harder the longer you’ve been together! That said, once you’ve proved it, the visa itself is issued really quickly (normally in less than six months).

Central to the application from this point is a statement from each of you about your relationship, starting from the point when you first met and, crucially, going right up to the day before you submit the application. These two documents will form the structure around which you’ll be building the evidence that you’re actually a couple. In the next stage, you move on to evidence about specific aspects of your relationship in terms of your finances, how you run your household, social aspects, and, of course commitment to each other but the relationship histories underpin all these. And, yes, there’s a lot of duplication.

Obviously it’s going to be longer if you’ve been together longer so allow a fair bit of time for both of you to write it! It is two statements although obviously they need to be in agreement with each other: for example, if one says you met in Paris and the other in New York, that’s going to be a problem. They also need to be in agreement with reality because you’re going to get interviewed about them as are the witnesses to your relationship that you’ve used (more on that later).

We’ve both started on our statements and it’s surprising how different they are because one’s written from a male perspective whilst the other’s written from a female perspective. They’re not inconsistent, but they are different and that’s to be expected, so don’t worry about it.

You start off from the point when you first met. Don’t get too hung up on that though. If you met via a friendship group and barely noticed your future significant other initially you could count that as the first meeting or equally it could be at the point of your first date. They’re not going to insist on the relationship starting when you swiped on him/her but rather at the point where it’s starting to become a relationship (however you defined that with the benefit of hindsight).

What’s important is what comes next so the various significant events and how the relationship developed over time. So you’ll be wanting to include first kiss, first intimate moments, moving in, getting engaged, married, first child, etc. Don’t forget consistency between the two accounts. Exact dates aren’t that important e.g. if you met in June, you don’t need to have the exact date, and if you’ve been together for years chances are that you will have forgotten the exact date.

They’ll particularly want to have details about time that you’ve spent apart. That doesn’t mean for a few hours but rather weeks so, if they’ve gone on a long holiday without you, they will want to know about that and moreover they’ll want to know how you kept in contact when you were apart. There’s more in the evidence section coming later, but they suggest phone records although many people just don’t have those these days and indeed you’ll see on the official guidance a lot of things are suggested which don’t seem to exist e.g. evidence of living arrangements comes to mind here.

Although there’s specific evidence sections later, it’s useful to build up evidence as you go through your relationship histories and they will prompt things to you as well. For example, if you went on holiday to Australia, they’re going to like some evidence about that like a plane ticket, photos, etc. As it happens one of the very earliest pieces of evidence we have is a photo of us on the top of Sydney Harbour bridge which is perfect in that it both places us together and it identifies where we were. That’s the kind of evidence you should be keeping an eye out for.

On the evidence front, it’s useful to create a folder for it and to quote a reference to each specific piece of evidence so, for example, that photo in Sydney is 2000-12 Sydney in the folder and when I’m referring to it in the relationship history. Save everything because even if it’s not useful right now, you might find you need it later e.g. we have accommodation vouchers which only name me which doesn’t seem useful as evidence at the moment, but who knows later?

Two things to bear in mind if you’ve been together for decades as we have is that there is a limit of, currently, 60 documents and that no document can be more than, currently, 5MB in size. This means that it’s useful to combine documents in one so, for example, we’ll be appending the four evidence headings after our relationship history but we have also had to shrink all of the photos to get them in one document under that 5MB limit.

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Step 1 is to create your Immi account, which you do at immi. With that done, you can start on your application. Even step 1 is a pain as they want rather a long password and they’ve recently added multifactor authentication, for which you’ll need an authentication app. Oh, and they’d like you to change your password every 180 days.

Once you’ve passed that hurdle, you can start entering the information for your visa application. In my case, that’s for a 309/100 partner visa but the 820/821 is just the same except that you apply for that one from inside Australia rather than outside Australia as you do with the 309/100 visa.

The first bits are fairly simple, starting off with your citizenship(s), where you were born, and what passports you hold and, of course, your relationship status: you’re obviously going to need to be in some kind of relationship with an Australian to apply for this particular visa. With that page filled in, the next one asks you to confirm the key information thus far i.e. your name, sex, and passport number.

Next up are your contact details, both at the time of applying and at the time of the second (permanent) visa (it might be a while before the visa is granted, so you could have moved). The next screen lets you appoint someone to deal with your application e.g. a migration agent.

Next up are your family members. It asks if any that aren’t Australian aren’t migrating with you (doesn’t apply for me), then it’s on to your parents, siblings, and children (living or dead in all cases). It doesn’t ask for any information for the Australians on this list.

And now it’s time for the same information for your sponsor (i.e. your partner) so their passport details, contact details, and details of their immediate family (parents, siblings, and children). After the domestic violence question, it’s on to details of the relationship with you (some of which you’ll have entered earlier).

And that’s where things get difficult as they’re wanting details of your relationship, including financial aspects, how your household works, social aspects, commitment, and a relationship history. So that’s what I’ll be going through in the coming weeks and indeed months as it all has to go right up to the day before you submit the application.

Fortunately, you can save the application at any point. You’ll need to as the four text boxes on the above screen require you to do things like write a relationship history from when you met, and to provide evidence that you have, for example, gone on holiday together, among many other things.

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